What kind of foundation should one use in a hive? Now there’s a question that can start hours of conversations, and, sometimes, arguments. I thought I’d weigh in with my two cents on the subject.
First all the disclaimers:
What I write about is what I have done, currently do, am contemplating doing, or just find fascinating. It’s personal.
Beekeeping is personal and local. What works, or doesn’t work, for my bees and me may or may not work for you. There are many factors ranging from personal beliefs to the nectar flow in your area to the types of bees you prefer – which takes us right back to personal preferences.
I currently use wax foundation in my hives. I have used Pierco plastic and have gone foundationless.
I have not used the fully formed plastic frames, or was foundation pieces with vertical wires imbedded in them. The former hold no interest for me. The latter I don’t get – I figure it takes the place of wiring a frame, but wiring is so easy.
All of which leaves me with three “foundations” I’ll write about:
Wax, Plastic, Foundationless
Plastic Foundation (Pierco Foundation)
My first hives came with black plastic Pierco foundation, and I dutifully continued to buy their plastic foundation for a few years, the white version. When I switched to wax foundation, I stored the plastic for use in crisis moments, as in : “ahhhhh! I didn’t hang enough wax!”
You know that moment when you say, “I’ve got to super the hive, NOW!!!” , and you realize you don’t have any foundation in the frames you made last winter? There are no issues with plastic. Just pop the foundation in and you’re heading for the hives.
I have friends who run hundreds and thousands of hives. The time it would take to wire all those frames makes using wax would cost a lot : in both time and money.
- Frame Replacement:
If there is no disease, you can pressure wash your frames, knock off all the wax (and I would soak them in bleach too), then rewax your frames. You don’t have to buy new frames. Of course if you figure the amount of time the above takes (especially rewaxing) it might be simpler to buy new frames, then this becomes a bad point – see disposal below)
- My bees don’t like plastic foundation:
In non-scientific tests in my bee yards I’ve found that it takes my bees nearly twice as long to draw out a plastic foundation than a wax foundation or foundationless (when this latter option has worked…more on that below).
Other beekeepers have found plastic to work just fine for them. Could be my bees (Russians X New World Carniolans X Feral Bees). Could be our “fabulous” nectar season – last year we had all of 2 months due to extreme rains in June that kept the bees in. In a good year we have about 4 months.
- Not enough wax on the plastic:
Plastic foundation is waxed, and according to Pierco’s site, with US produced, chemical-free wax. However, there’s just not enough laid on to make the bees happy. Sometimes there’s barely any wax at all. So I used to melt wax then brush it onto the plastic foundations. What a pain. By the time I did that, I might as well have wired the frames.
- Disposal : we’re talking plastic here:
If you don’t pressure wash, bleach, and rewax your frames, you’ve still got to get rid of them in one, three, five, or some number of years depending on your hive protocol. They’re plastic, they won’t biodegrade if you toss them. So you could pressure wash and recycle. My best is that most are tossed in the trash.
- They’re plastic – This is Personal:
Pierco’s website states that their plastic frames are made with FDA approved food plastic. There are, however, seven types of FDA approved food plastic, some better than others. Repeated calls and emails to Pierco asking which type of FDA approved food plastic they use have gone unanswered. Maybe they’re just busy. If I ever get a reply, I’ll up date this blog. In the meantime, it makes me wonder? Why not just say?
Personally, I don’t like plastic. I use it when I need to in construction, but if I have an option, I always choose something other than plastic. It is a personal preference.
- Disease Control:
If you get American Foulbrood (I hope you never do, but it’s around). You must burn the foundation. Plastic, regardless of they type, is toxic when burned. So you must heat the frames until the wax begins to melt, then wrap the farmes tightly in thick plastic tape them up and dispose of them. When melting the wax portion of the foundation, you should probably wear some sort of gas mask.
- My bees like wax foundation:
As I said before, my bees draw out the wax foundation much faster than they do the plastic foundation. With a short season, the faster we get to drawn comb the better.
- You can do a “almost” foundationless:
You can cut your sheets of foundation in halves or thirds and install the foundation in the top of the frame, leaving the rest of the area for the bees to build what they desire. For me, this works better than foundationless (the next section). The image here is of a full sheet of wax hung on a wired frame. This year I’ll hang more partial sheets.
- Disease Control:
Back to American Foulbrood : You simply burn all the foundations in a hole which can be covered with soil. They which burn really well because of the wax and wood.
- The wax has chemicals in it:
Beeswax foundation is made from (all together now) bees wax. This wax, in the U.S., is from commercial hives. The majority of commercial hives in the US regularly use antibiotics and synthetic pesticides. These chemicals stay in the wax. So when you are using wax foundation you are putting small amounts of these in your hive. The amounts are considered so small that we all probably enounter more in our daily lives, but they are there.
- You need to wire frames:
(Unless you use the wax frames that have wired imbeded in them, I think that’s what they’re for)
It’s not that hard really. I don’t nail or have a stretcher board. I just weave and twist : here’s a link about how I wire frames.
Another disclaimer: Every year I try this. Every year it doesn’t work out very well for me.
BeeBehavior.com, has an excellent description of working with foundationless hives.
Another fabulous source is Michael Bush’s Bush Bees’ Foundationless Beekeeping Page.
This has to be the best way to supply the bees with foundation as far as the bees are concerned. The bees build the type of cells they want (worker, drone, honey), rather than what we humans tell them to build. Plus the bees are using the wax they created – no issues of chemicals or possibly contaminated wax. It’s far more natural than any other “foundation”
- Ease (kind of):
If you whip out the table saw and start to cut new angles in the tops of your frames, it’s not easy.
For the rest of us it’s easy:
You can glue a series of large popsicle sticks into the groove on your frame – that the easiest.
You can cut a strip of foundation and hang it in the upper section of your frame – a bit harder. The folks at BeeBehavior.com suggest milk carton strips instead of foundation strips.
These stright bits seem to give the bees an idea of “go this way” when they start building comb, rather than going free form.
It has never worked for me, I wish it did. I keep trying.
- The hives have to be level (but not necessarily):
It is said that the hives must be level, front to back and side to side, for this to work. You don’t need a level, but the hive(s) should look level. For anyone with more than a few hives, this just takes too much time.
However – every time foundationless has worked for me, the hive was nowhere near level – it was a “mixed” hive: drawn comb with foundationless between. That can work for me.
- You still have to wire frames:
I know others will say you don’t have to, but the first beautiful foundationless frame of honey I had never made it to the extractor room. It was connected on all four sides of the frames (but not wired), but it just fell apart on the way to the extraction room.
The above are only three options in foundation, the three with which I have worked. There are others but they will, in the end, all concern some sort of plastic or wax or foundationless. If you have the time and inclination, I would say try all three “types” and see what works best. I will say that when people ask me what I would suggest to a new beekeeper, I always say use wax (I buy mine from Kelley Bee Supply). It’s a personal preference.
Again – all beekeeping is personal and local : do what works best for you and your bees. However:
Do Not Mix Foundations:
Do not put plastic and/or wax foundation and/or foundationless next to each other. In my experience, the bees will draw out the wax foundation first and you will get very wide combs on the wax and almost non-existant combs on the plastic and foundationless frames. Once the bees have drawn out the comb, it doesn’t matter.
What’s happening in the bee yards? We’ve had a few nice days (48F – break out the bathing suits!) and the bees have been flying at the front of the hives. My current business project is trying to turn the categories on my two blogs into ones that make more sense. I have to break that “beekeeping” category down. It’s all about beekeeping. What did I know about blogs when I started this? Nothing. I still know, and prefer to know, very little about the workings of the internet. Bees are far more fun and interesting.
That’s the news from Brookfield Farm Bees And Honey in Maple Falls, Washington. What kinds of foundations are you using? Have you all found something that works really well? And any tips about how to make foundationless work better are always appreciated.
interesting. Very good point about beekeeping being local and personal. In last year’s wet British “summer” I think my bees would have struggled to draw out foundationless combs. I know some beekeepers who alternate wax foundation and foundationless frames in their supers successfully, which I am keen to try.
In the UK beekeepers who buy in foundation nearly all use the same stuff, which is pre-wired wax foundation. I change all my brood frames every year and consider hammering the frames together to be enough work, without having to worry about wiring up the foundation! I’ve never seen anyone here use plastic.
Karen, very interesting overview. Where do you store your frames with foundation wired? do you keep it in the open air on the upper floor or in boxes? Can it be stored in an open air in a warehouse through the winter with minus temperatures?
Hi Polina – I store drawn and partially drawn frames between long pieces of wood that hang from the roof of my 40 foot barn. I also store some in hive boxes, set on their side, no more than three in a row (think a little tunnel). No wax moths in either case: light and cold – I don’t think the wax moths like either of these things. The frames of hung foundation (foundation on frames) which have never been in a hive I store inside of the hive boxes that are being stored in the same barn. Wax moths, in my area, don’t seem to bother the non-drawn foundation. Wax moths don’t bother my drawn frames as long as they’re hanging. Heavens, I thought I wrote a blog on that, but I just went on a search, and I guess I haven’t. Thank you, now I know what to write about next week… I think inside a warehouse could work, but they would still have to either be open to the air, or in the three boxes deep box “tunnel” with the frames inside. (If you don’t have warehouse cats, you’d need to put 1/8th inch hardware cloth on the ends of each tunnel to keep mice out – Cats are easier) If you just stacked the frames in boxes in the warehouse, I think you’d get wax moths. Hope that helps.
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thank you. I’ve been doing this two years now. Finding the time in bee season is the hard part.
Great post! I started with plastic 10 years ago and have switched over to wax 2 years ago. What a difference. I bought the pre-wired wax. If any one else does, I recommend you still wire it. One of mine fell out. I wish I could switch to all mediums and maybe even 8-frame boxes to help ensure no back problems as I age. But I have 2 stacks of unused 10 frame deeps and 2 more of unused mediums. Sigh.
Yea, I started with plastic too…still have some in the hayloft that I added melted wax onto. The bees just seem to like the real wax better. I started in deeps, then my husband cut the bottom off of all the deeps and made them into mediums (westerns) for me. The bit left over turned into the “collars” I use on top of the hives. Drag about the frames though, they got tossed. I agree, though, I wish all mine were 8 frames, it’s way too much cutting to make them all smaller (cutting the bottoms off was easy, nothing to nail back together). I do have sympathy with the back problems – the curse of beekeeping….